[Clayart] Snail, Chris object
robertgharris at gmail.com
Wed Jul 13 21:45:13 EDT 2016
Interesting you reference Heidegger, since people have tried to denigrate
his philosophy (wrongly IMO) based on his personal (and very unclear)
affiliations with Nazism. Similar to what this very topic touches on!
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Douglas Fur via Clayart <
clayart at lists.clayartworld.com> wrote:
> I would differentiate between object and thing. An object is the product of
> meaningless work, (ie an industrial product in which the worker is
> alienated from Its making.) whereas a thing is the product of meaningful
> work ( a craft product in which the worker is personally involved in its
> An object can be considered immoral in that it represents the production
> worker's state of alienation but it's appearance is amoral due to the
> factisity of the alienation of the worker from the making process.
> The meaning of a thing is truthful in that it is the embodiment of the
> worker's state of being involved in the making process.
> If the worker is being deceitful in the making process "I am a 16th C
> Korean Potter making a rice bowl." the truth of the thing will depend on
> how well the worker is being deceitful. (The more accurately the worker
> mimics the Korean potter's work process the closer the truth of that thing
> will be to the truth of the thing made by the old Korean Potter.)*
> The morality of it depends more on how the object is represented. I've
> noticed this on "Antiques Roadshow" where it seems like 99% of the
> pre-Columbian American pots are fakes and the expert says "Well if this had
> been a real one it would be worth $50,million but as a 'decorative object's
> it's worth $50." (Notice how commercial language uses "object" not
> "thing".) I look at the thing and think "that's a nice pot except where
> they spattered oxides on it to make it look old."
> The truth of the thing is that it's a nice pot and it has been made to look
> old. Both are true. The morality lies in how it was represented, was it
> sold as a pre-Columbian pot or a replica.
> Martin Heidegger wrote about the nature of things. ( I think he blew it on
> the art/craft dilemma.) His language is personal and arcane. A paraphrase
> of a sentence reads in part "as there is happening of truth at working
> work, so there is happening of truth at work in things,". Which I think
> sounds good but...? (http://philpapers.org/rec/COLHOT-4)
> The preceding phrase reads "Thing serves to reveal/ conceal at each step
> the reciprocal nature of the World thing, and World serves to
> reveal/conceal thing;"
> I think these revelations in the dialogue between world and thing is the
> heart of our craft is. That our making of things from the stuff of the
> world (earth, air, fire and water) reveals truth about us as beings and
> makers of things in the world and truth about World.
> Seola Creek
> * A friend posted this on FB last night.
> My First reaction was "oh gawd some hippie chick from California knocking
> off native Americans." Then I watched her process and changed my mind. The
> deciding step was her starting a fire by hand twirling a stick against
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