[Clayart] dampers and flues

Paul Gerhold gerholdclay at gmail.com
Tue Jul 25 11:12:00 EDT 2017

I don't know if it is just my sensitivities but using the term " product" to refer to the results of my ceramic efforts  just does not seem exactly appropriate.  To me the use of the term has more relevance to manufacturing type operations than it does to the work of my hands and mind.

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> On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:12 AM, John Hesselberth <jjhesselberth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert is right on here. In fact any business person who does not understand the full cost of their products will soon be “belly-up”. I suspect it is one of the primary reasons for business failure—and that includes potters and potteries. And don’t forget a fair wage for yourself  and things like insurance in your cost calculations. It is not just equipment and materials.
> Regards,
> John
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My biggest object to "My kiln fires for the cost of a mug", is that this
>> does not adhere to most rules of accounting and economincs.
>> When calculating the cost of a kiln you need to include
>> depreciation/amortization. In our guild we charge people not just for the
>> natural gas, but also for the projected cost of replacing/rebuilding the
>> kiln. For example our kiln has been rebuilt once, and needs to be replaced
>> within the next five years. The bricks are 30+ years old, and simple can't
>> be reused any longer.
>> I'd guess that the kiln has been fired 350+ times. But the current cost for
>> a replacement is approaching $20,000. This doesn't include the cost of the
>> rebuild about 15 years ago, nor periodic maintenance nor new kiln shelves
>> or posts (even the most careful person breaks one every so often). Should
>> we include cones in the cost, replacing thermocouples etc ... etc ... We
>> estimate it costs well over a hundred dollars to fire a kiln (about the
>> same size as yours) when you include replacement value. And to not include
>> it, (particularly in the context of a guild/co-op setting) is at best
>> disingenuous, if not dishonest (if you were a public company you would be
>> breaking SEC regulations ;) ).
>> Robert

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