[Clayart] Pricing, why, and worth

Paul Gerhold gerholdclay at gmail.com
Mon Jul 31 21:27:09 EDT 2017

That doesn't say anything of the sort. The assumption that the work is comparable is a given.  

Now what you need to defend is your assumption that a working ( whatever that means since anyone producing work is working) artist  necessarily produces better work than an amateur ( and we assume you think an amateur is someone not working full time). Just as a thought exercise do you think someone just starting to produce full time will necessarily produce better work than someone who has been working part time for thirty years. 


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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul, that implies that a working artist basically isn't any more skilled
> or produces anything more valuable than an amateur. You need to defend your
> statement.
> That sort of contention requires a whole hell of a lot of defense. Either
> it means that art is easy - and you need to defend that contention. Or it
> means that the only people who are hurt by amateur's underpricing their
> work are those who are poor (and why should the rules of competition not
> apply to them). Or alternatively it means that customers cannot recognize
> good art. Another contention that deserves to be explained and defended.
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Paul Gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You hurt others when you price your work at less than you would charge if
>> you were making your living from your pottery.
>> Paul
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Deborah Thuman <debthuman at zianet.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Why is easy. I have to create things. If I don’t, I become spiritually
>> and emotionally constipated. Creating things is as critical to me as water.
>>> The pricing part is sort of easy. It’s a function of cost of materials
>> and time necessary to make the item. This is fairly easy with regard to
>> beads. A piece that was quick to make but I used semi-precious stones is
>> going to be priced higher than a piece that took me several hours but is
>> comprised of glass beads.
>>> Translating that to clay….. There’s the cost of the clay (pre-made or
>> DIY), the cost of glaze (pre-made or DIY), the cost of propane to fire the
>> kiln and overhead. In my case, the overhead is the cost of the kiln, the
>> cost of tools, the cost of my website, annual dues to the Farmers & Craft
>> Market and the $10 fee to set up each time I set up. My studio is at my
>> home, so there’s no studio rent to consider.
>>> Worth is difficult. A friend has reminded me that not everyone can make
>> what I make. Not everyone has the knack, the talent or the desire. If you
>> come to me for legal advice and help, you’re buying my knowledge and
>> experience. When I have my dental checkup, I’m paying for my dentist’s
>> knowledge and experience.
>>> If you buy something I make, you are paying for my knowledge (I had to
>> learn how to do it) and experience (next week’s pots will always be better
>> than last week’s pots).
>>> Is my legal knowledge and experience worth more than my artistic
>> knowledge and experience? It will cost you more for my legal assistance
>> than for anything I make. But is the legal assistance worth more? Is
>> staying out of prison worth more than a lidded container? It depends on who
>> you ask. If you’re looking at potentially 9 years in prison for something
>> you didn’t do (and there truly are a good number of innocent people in
>> prison), my legal expertise is worth a whole lot more to you than my
>> ability to make a nice mug. If you’re the victim of my client, you probably
>> wish I would stick to art.
>>> Worth and value are different. Worth is what I paid for a bowl and mug.
>> Value is the contentment I get when I use that bowl and mug. A piece of the
>> maker’s soul is in that bowl and mug and I can feel that piece each time I
>> use the bowl and mug. (Tracy Shea made the bowl and mug in case you were
>> wondering.)
>>> We each decide the intrinsic value of our pieces when we price our
>> pieces. When we price our work lower than the cost of materials, that’s
>> when we hurt others. That’s what has to be avoided.
>>> Deb Thuman
>>> debthuman at zianet.com
>>> www.debthumanart.com
>>> Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which
>> ones to keep.
>>> Scott Adams
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