[Clayart] women started clay work

[M Gordon]

Odd, my oldest friend who taught printmaking at the College of Arts and  
Crafts, now called College of the Arts for 48 years and another friend  
who also taught printmaking there are both very open about how they do  
their art, and are more than eager to pass on their knowledge about the  
craft. Mike Gordon
On Apr 21, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Kathi Lesueur wrote:

> Interesting, Mike, that you think printmakers share well. My friend  
> who quit pots to become a printmaker did not have that experience. He  
> said they were the worst.
>
> Kathi
> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 10:50 AM, M Gordon <clayart at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> I think printmakers are very willing to share as well, Mike Gordon
>>>> On Apr 20, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Kathi Lesueur wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While I like the idea that potters are more willing to share  
>>>> information because of women, I don't think it has much effect.  
>>>> Over my many years of doing art fairs I've had occasion to have  
>>>> discussions on sharing information with artists in many media. By  
>>>> far, potters are the most generous with painters at a respectable  
>>>> second. I've had potter friends switch to another medium. When  
>>>> they've tried to ask questions of other artists they were amazed at  
>>>> how unwilling they were to share, often being offended that they  
>>>> were even asked.
>>>>
>>>> I am always willing to share information, whether in technique or  
>>>> selling. I've been fortunate to be a successful ETSY seller. Others  
>>>> gave me help getting started and I try to be just as helpful to  
>>>> others. The more successful we all are, the more successful we all  
>>>> will be.
>>>>
>>>> Kathi
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Mahaffey, Rick  
>>>>> <rmahaffey at tacomacc.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mel,
>>>>> Your statement that women started clay is something I was taught  
>>>>> and maintained and tell my students.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an undergraduate degree in clay and glass and I noticed the  
>>>>> difference in the way Clay artists share and glass artists tend  
>>>>> to, shall we say, share less.   I attribute that to the fact that  
>>>>> women started working with clay and tended to work together in a  
>>>>> more equal basis and clay work goes back about 20,000 years.    
>>>>> Glass on the other hand started around 2,000 years ago  (I know  
>>>>> the Egyptians made glass vessels but those were formed around a  
>>>>> sand/clay core) and was started by men.   Glass people will say,  
>>>>> we work as a team each bench has many team members.  That is true  
>>>>> but there is one journeyman (or master), gatherers, and punty  
>>>>> (puntil)  boys (if the term boy doesn't tell you about class  
>>>>> distinctions it should), and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Potters share techniques, glazes, clay formulas, and many things.   
>>>>> The glass world tends to be more secretive in my experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> I attribute potter's desire to share and teach stemming from the  
>>>>> tradition started by women long, long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember YMMV,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Mahaffey
>>>>> Ceramics dept.
>>>>> Tacoma, Community College
>>>>> 6501 So. 19th St.
>>>>> Tacoma, WA 98466
>>>>>
>>>>> office phone: 253-566-5260                 ceramics studio phone:   
>>>>> 253-566-5346
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