[Clayart] Women and clay
Terry Lazaroff
terrylazaroff at gmail.com
Mon Apr 23 20:09:36 EDT 2018
This is also a good hypothesis.
I also feel that the first use of clay was in wet form. I believe clay
was a temporary fix at first. One just has to ask how would someone drink
water before the use of the vessell, before the control of fire. When
natural clay dries it warps into the form of a bowl form. Who knows
perhaps a firestorm fire went through an area that had a some dried clay
sinistering the forms.
We will probably never know the time line.
Terry
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 6:15 PM <ronroy at ca.inter.net> wrote:
> Or a hut burned down and the clay lined basket was bisque fired.
> RR
>
>
> Quoting Terry Lazaroff <zalt57 at videotron.ca>:
>
> > When I watch nature documentary I see animals get eaten, when they
> > stopped to drink. I envision that early man noticed that indents in
> > the clay near the pond or lake, held the water longer than in sandy
> > areas. I envision someone taking a basket and lining it with clay.
> > This allowed them to carry water and hold it for a while. The
> > firing was probably discovered in the morning, perhaps because a
> > water vessel was set near the fire, and it became hard on the side
> > of the heat generated by the fire.
> >
> > Things were discovered by accident.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Apr 22, 2018, at 7:51 AM, Vince Pitelka <vpitelka at dtccom.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Terry -
> >> This is getting a bit off-topic, but I don't think it was
> >> dangerous. Does your dog get sick drinking from the pond or the
> >> gutter? It all depends on the biological defenses that have
> >> evolved in the species or are built up from birth. Tribal peoples
> >> can store and consume foods in porous bonfired pottery, but if we
> >> did the same we would get sick. As to what the first pots were used
> >> for when people started making pots early in the Neolithic period,
> >> they were used for everything that needed storage in a container,
> >> and likely for all sorts of ceremonial and religious purposes as
> >> well.
> >> - Vince
> >>
> >> Vince Pitelka
> >> Appalachian Center for Craft
> >> Tennessee Tech University
> >> vpitelka at dtccom.net
> >> sites.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Clayart [mailto:clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Terry Lazaroff
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:38 PM
> >> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
> >> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Clayart] Women and clay
> >>
> >> I often wonder what the first pots were used for. I believe they
> >> were developed to carry water from the source to the tribe or cave.
> >> Drinking at the pond was very dangerous.
> >>
> >> Terry
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Vince Pitelka
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 11:24 PM
> >> To: 'Clayart international pottery discussion forum'
> >> Subject: Re: [Clayart] Women and clay
> >>
> >> Hi Robert -
> >> As I said in a previous message, the hunter-gatherers of the
> >> Paleolithic discovered the phenomenon of fired clay and made small
> >> figurines and amulets, but clay pots don't travel well, so it was
> >> not until the Neolithic and the settled life of farmers and
> >> herdsmen that people started making pots as regular household
> >> accessories. Your use of "Neolithic" is a bit confusing, because
> >> of course the Neolithic is the New Stone Age when humans began
> >> settling in villages as farmers and herdsmen. It was during the
> >> Paleolithic that humans were hunter-gatherers. I know that there
> >> is some spillover and that the distinctions are different in every
> >> part of the world.
> >> - Vince
> >>
> >> Vince Pitelka
> >> Appalachian Center for Craft
> >> Tennessee Tech University
> >> vpitelka at dtccom.net
> >> sites.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Clayart [mailto:clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Robert Harris
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:22 PM
> >> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
> >> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Clayart] Women and clay
> >>
> >> ?The earliest ceramic piece found is the Venus of Dolní V?stonice -
> >> not pots. It dates to 25,000-29,000 BC. Significantly earlier than
> >> the first potential ceramic pots from China that are tentatively
> >> dated to 18,000BCE (there is some problem with the dating in this
> >> particular case, and the next earliest pots are Jomon at 10,000BCE.
> >>
> >> Although it is thought to be something of a religious object,
> >> there's actually no evidence that this is the case. Certainly there
> >> is nothing about it that implies it was made by a woman or a man.
> >>
> >> We know so little about neolithic hunter gatherers, and we have to
> >> remember that domestication of plants around 10,000 BCE totally
> >> changed everything about how humans lived their lives. The tribal
> >> societies for which we have good evidence - even the nomadic
> >> hunter-gatherers are likely to have lived significantly different
> >> lives from the Neolithic humans that had no concept of domestic
> >> plants or animals (except possibly half-tame wolves).
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Jim Brown <jbrown1000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> " With the transition to the Neolithic, people started making pots for
> >>> practical use, but there is no evidence that it was women." - Vince
> >>>
> >>> Well, my first question would be, "Who were the ones using the pots?"
> >>> Second, "Who were the ones tending the fires?" Third, "Who were the
> >>> ones doing the cooking?"
> >>>
> >>> Agreed that both men and women did take part in all the above but
> >>> think most would agree that most of the answers to the above would
> >>> be women.
> >>> Since it was women that were in close contact with the above, it would
> >>> seem that women would be more likely to have made a pot out of clay
> >>> while the men were more likely to have been making spear points. As
> >>> for little animals, etc., my guess goes to the children. :)
> >>>
> >>>
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