[Clayart] david the self driving car

robert hackert ndiaman at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 19 20:32:15 UTC 2021


I am sorry, you meant mammals instead of animals yes/no.

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> On Oct 19, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A hundred years ago (even thirty years ago in some communities), giving
> children "the belt" was commonplace. And it raised a generation of children
> who think that hitting is OK. Older is not always better. And when trying
> things that are new, more mistakes will be made. (As an aside if you're
> trying to throw or make an entirely new form (it may be a mug but it's
> totally different), how many times do you have to cut it off and start
> again before it looks "right"?)
> 
> Likewise, they used to train horses (and other animals) by punishment.
> There is absolutely no doubt that positive reinforcement works far far
> better. It just takes a lot longer and more patience, and people are lazy.
> 
> Remember, humans are animals. We may be on the far end of the bell curve in
> terms of brainpower, but cheetahs are on the far end for fast twitch
> muscles,  make no mistake we are animals and we should take heed of animal
> trainers.
> 
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:04, Dorothy Parshall <dorothyp at whidbey.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My sons were born in 59 and 63. I read Spock but remember little of what
>> he was on about. I went by the wisdom of my father and raised my sons as I
>> had been raised. And their children have been mostly raised the same way —
>> and 2 great grands pretty much the same. I suppose books have been, and are
>> still, written about where parenting went off the track - probably  a few
>> thousand years ago, or more. We just have an increasingly huge population
>> of people whose forbears never learned how… to do a lot of things! The
>> world changes daily; Stephen Pinker in The Better Angels of our Nature,
>> complete with an incredible number of footnotes, asserts that humans have,
>> in general, improved over the centuries. Hard to believe, but we need to
>> focus more on those who are doing a good job and on giving more supports to
>> those who have failed to choose the better parents.   Not every wannabe
>> potter is blessed with a great teacher either!
>> 
>> Dorothy Parshall
>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:44 AM, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Everything parental wise missing from current generation. No boundaries.
>> When a PO in Philly We got a call (this was in the 60’s) to a home. Woman
>> answered door. Asked what was issue. Said her son would not listen. Took us
>> to a bedroom, there in the bed was an early teen boy. Told mom we are not
>> in the parenting business. She replied he just will not listen. Said
>> husband did not believe in discipline (Dr. Spock teaching). I realized then
>> that the world had changed, not for the better.
>>> Rob Hackert
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