[Clayart] david the self driving car

Robert Harris robertgharris at gmail.com
Wed Oct 20 02:11:53 UTC 2021


Mammals are a subset of the group animals.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 17:41, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am sorry, you meant mammals instead of animals yes/no.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 19, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > A hundred years ago (even thirty years ago in some communities), giving
> > children "the belt" was commonplace. And it raised a generation of
> children
> > who think that hitting is OK. Older is not always better. And when trying
> > things that are new, more mistakes will be made. (As an aside if you're
> > trying to throw or make an entirely new form (it may be a mug but it's
> > totally different), how many times do you have to cut it off and start
> > again before it looks "right"?)
> >
> > Likewise, they used to train horses (and other animals) by punishment.
> > There is absolutely no doubt that positive reinforcement works far far
> > better. It just takes a lot longer and more patience, and people are
> lazy.
> >
> > Remember, humans are animals. We may be on the far end of the bell curve
> in
> > terms of brainpower, but cheetahs are on the far end for fast twitch
> > muscles,  make no mistake we are animals and we should take heed of
> animal
> > trainers.
> >
> >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:04, Dorothy Parshall <dorothyp at whidbey.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> My sons were born in 59 and 63. I read Spock but remember little of what
> >> he was on about. I went by the wisdom of my father and raised my sons
> as I
> >> had been raised. And their children have been mostly raised the same
> way —
> >> and 2 great grands pretty much the same. I suppose books have been, and
> are
> >> still, written about where parenting went off the track - probably  a
> few
> >> thousand years ago, or more. We just have an increasingly huge
> population
> >> of people whose forbears never learned how… to do a lot of things! The
> >> world changes daily; Stephen Pinker in The Better Angels of our Nature,
> >> complete with an incredible number of footnotes, asserts that humans
> have,
> >> in general, improved over the centuries. Hard to believe, but we need to
> >> focus more on those who are doing a good job and on giving more
> supports to
> >> those who have failed to choose the better parents.   Not every wannabe
> >> potter is blessed with a great teacher either!
> >>
> >> Dorothy Parshall
> >>
> >>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:44 AM, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Everything parental wise missing from current generation. No
> boundaries.
> >> When a PO in Philly We got a call (this was in the 60’s) to a home.
> Woman
> >> answered door. Asked what was issue. Said her son would not listen.
> Took us
> >> to a bedroom, there in the bed was an early teen boy. Told mom we are
> not
> >> in the parenting business. She replied he just will not listen. Said
> >> husband did not believe in discipline (Dr. Spock teaching). I realized
> then
> >> that the world had changed, not for the better.
> >>> Rob Hackert
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