[Clayart] david the self driving car

robert hackert ndiaman at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 20 12:54:35 UTC 2021

If you are referring to animalistic behavior on the part of humans that is fine. But, you have to agree that is a free will choice, also growth surroundings influence.  Animals have no choice, it is called instinct. This is why I ask are you categorizing humans as animals acting on instinct,  or humans who have choice?
Rob Hackert

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> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mammals are a subset of the group animals.
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 17:41, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I am sorry, you meant mammals instead of animals yes/no.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> A hundred years ago (even thirty years ago in some communities), giving
>>> children "the belt" was commonplace. And it raised a generation of
>> children
>>> who think that hitting is OK. Older is not always better. And when trying
>>> things that are new, more mistakes will be made. (As an aside if you're
>>> trying to throw or make an entirely new form (it may be a mug but it's
>>> totally different), how many times do you have to cut it off and start
>>> again before it looks "right"?)
>>> Likewise, they used to train horses (and other animals) by punishment.
>>> There is absolutely no doubt that positive reinforcement works far far
>>> better. It just takes a lot longer and more patience, and people are
>> lazy.
>>> Remember, humans are animals. We may be on the far end of the bell curve
>> in
>>> terms of brainpower, but cheetahs are on the far end for fast twitch
>>> muscles,  make no mistake we are animals and we should take heed of
>> animal
>>> trainers.
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:04, Dorothy Parshall <dorothyp at whidbey.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> My sons were born in 59 and 63. I read Spock but remember little of what
>>>> he was on about. I went by the wisdom of my father and raised my sons
>> as I
>>>> had been raised. And their children have been mostly raised the same
>> way —
>>>> and 2 great grands pretty much the same. I suppose books have been, and
>> are
>>>> still, written about where parenting went off the track - probably  a
>> few
>>>> thousand years ago, or more. We just have an increasingly huge
>> population
>>>> of people whose forbears never learned how… to do a lot of things! The
>>>> world changes daily; Stephen Pinker in The Better Angels of our Nature,
>>>> complete with an incredible number of footnotes, asserts that humans
>> have,
>>>> in general, improved over the centuries. Hard to believe, but we need to
>>>> focus more on those who are doing a good job and on giving more
>> supports to
>>>> those who have failed to choose the better parents.   Not every wannabe
>>>> potter is blessed with a great teacher either!
>>>> Dorothy Parshall
>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:44 AM, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Everything parental wise missing from current generation. No
>> boundaries.
>>>> When a PO in Philly We got a call (this was in the 60’s) to a home.
>> Woman
>>>> answered door. Asked what was issue. Said her son would not listen.
>> Took us
>>>> to a bedroom, there in the bed was an early teen boy. Told mom we are
>> not
>>>> in the parenting business. She replied he just will not listen. Said
>>>> husband did not believe in discipline (Dr. Spock teaching). I realized
>> then
>>>> that the world had changed, not for the better.
>>>>> Rob Hackert
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