[Clayart] david the self driving car

robert hackert ndiaman at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 20 15:36:14 UTC 2021

Just an addendum: The pre frontal cortex allowing cognitive function only exists in humans and certain primates. Hence mammals.
Rob Hackert

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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:54 AM, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you are referring to animalistic behavior on the part of humans that is fine. But, you have to agree that is a free will choice, also growth surroundings influence.  Animals have no choice, it is called instinct. This is why I ask are you categorizing humans as animals acting on instinct,  or humans who have choice?
> Rob Hackert
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mammals are a subset of the group animals.
>>>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 17:41, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am sorry, you meant mammals instead of animals yes/no.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A hundred years ago (even thirty years ago in some communities), giving
>>>> children "the belt" was commonplace. And it raised a generation of
>>> children
>>>> who think that hitting is OK. Older is not always better. And when trying
>>>> things that are new, more mistakes will be made. (As an aside if you're
>>>> trying to throw or make an entirely new form (it may be a mug but it's
>>>> totally different), how many times do you have to cut it off and start
>>>> again before it looks "right"?)
>>>> Likewise, they used to train horses (and other animals) by punishment.
>>>> There is absolutely no doubt that positive reinforcement works far far
>>>> better. It just takes a lot longer and more patience, and people are
>>> lazy.
>>>> Remember, humans are animals. We may be on the far end of the bell curve
>>> in
>>>> terms of brainpower, but cheetahs are on the far end for fast twitch
>>>> muscles,  make no mistake we are animals and we should take heed of
>>> animal
>>>> trainers.
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:04, Dorothy Parshall <dorothyp at whidbey.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> My sons were born in 59 and 63. I read Spock but remember little of what
>>>>> he was on about. I went by the wisdom of my father and raised my sons
>>> as I
>>>>> had been raised. And their children have been mostly raised the same
>>> way —
>>>>> and 2 great grands pretty much the same. I suppose books have been, and
>>> are
>>>>> still, written about where parenting went off the track - probably  a
>>> few
>>>>> thousand years ago, or more. We just have an increasingly huge
>>> population
>>>>> of people whose forbears never learned how… to do a lot of things! The
>>>>> world changes daily; Stephen Pinker in The Better Angels of our Nature,
>>>>> complete with an incredible number of footnotes, asserts that humans
>>> have,
>>>>> in general, improved over the centuries. Hard to believe, but we need to
>>>>> focus more on those who are doing a good job and on giving more
>>> supports to
>>>>> those who have failed to choose the better parents.   Not every wannabe
>>>>> potter is blessed with a great teacher either!
>>>>> Dorothy Parshall
>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 8:44 AM, robert hackert <ndiaman at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Everything parental wise missing from current generation. No
>>> boundaries.
>>>>> When a PO in Philly We got a call (this was in the 60’s) to a home.
>>> Woman
>>>>> answered door. Asked what was issue. Said her son would not listen.
>>> Took us
>>>>> to a bedroom, there in the bed was an early teen boy. Told mom we are
>>> not
>>>>> in the parenting business. She replied he just will not listen. Said
>>>>> husband did not believe in discipline (Dr. Spock teaching). I realized
>>> then
>>>>> that the world had changed, not for the better.
>>>>>> Rob Hackert
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