[Clayart] automation

Terry Lazaroff terrylazaroff at gmail.com
Thu Sep 9 14:48:16 UTC 2021



Amazing how we see what we want to see.  Could someone tell me where I am discussing what’s hand made, verses what is not?   Does a potter not fit in to my discussion?  

Terry

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> On Sep 9, 2021, at 10:34 AM, paul gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sure, right after you define the terms " master crafter" and what you mean by " the master had to touch the object throughout the creative process" And you might want to also define your use of the word " crafter". Without boundaries on your terms you can basically call anything made in a factory handmade as long as the piece is not mechanically moved from one machine to another. 
> 
> A simpler definition of handmade might be " An object  where the maker performs every step of the creation  from conception to the selection of the base components  ( which must be changed during making)  to the finished piece". 
> 
> Paul
> 
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>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Terry Lazaroff <terrylazaroff at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Paul; Can you elaborate.
>> Terry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 5:40 PM, paul gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You know that is just an attempt at justifying mass produced crap as art. Just go full factory and stop trying to make excuses for making more money than you could do actually making art. 
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Terry Lazaroff <terrylazaroff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mel, I believe we should not focus on the term, “Hand Made.”  There are just too many exclusions or exceptions to the purity of your idea.   
>>>> 
>>>> In place we should be promoting the concept of “Crafts.”  In French it is, “Metiers d’arts.” 
>>>> 
>>>> One could establish some basic tenants to be required in order for an object to be called, craft by a crafter.  I am throwing my ideas out there, for further discussion and additions.  
>>>> 
>>>> 1.   The object created must come from an establishment that consisted of the master crafter, and, possibly an apprentice.  
>>>> 
>>>> 2.   The master had to touch the object throughout the creative process. 
>>>> 
>>>> 3.   The master could use any tools and machines necessary to create the object, however, one machine could not feed another machine, thus the crafter was required to manipulate the object at every step of the way.
>>>> 
>>>> 4.    Materials used to create the object must undergo transformation from the original state, to becoming an element in the object.
>>>> 
>>>> 5.    All elements in the object had to be  fabricated by the crafter. 
>>>> 
>>>> 6.   The crafter was required to show his/her mark within the object design. 
>>>> 
>>>> 7.   The work place could engage non crafters to carry out tasks such as: packers, accountants,  sales person,  and more.  These workers were not a participant  in the creation process. 
>>>> 
>>>> Just in passing Etsy defines Hand Made as combining two items together to arrive at a new object.   So I could purchase a blank ceramic cup, from one source, and a flower decal, from another source,  then put the decal on the cup,  and sell it as my creation.  
>>>> 
>>>> Food for thought.  Don’t shoot the messenger.
>>>> Terry
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 2:48 PM, mel jacobson <melpots at mail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have argued for years that we must stop
>>>>> adding automation to a hand craft.  That is
>>>>> my sole story to the next generation of potters
>>>>> and clay artists.  That is my sole story.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Every step you allow others to control is one
>>>>> more dagger in the heart of hand made ceramics.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I work very hard to keep my work "hand made" or
>>>>> as much as I can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just wish all of you could take a day from your
>>>>> life and visit David Hendley.  His house is hand made.
>>>>> His studio is hand made. His big wood kiln is hand made
>>>>> and he fires it himself most of the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> His glazes are hand made, and of course all the pots
>>>>> are hand made.  One of his passions is the love of
>>>>> the craft. And, I will never stop trying to protect
>>>>> the history of "hand made clay".
>>>>> mel
>>>>> 
>>>>> website: www.melpots.com
>>>>> www.melpots.com/CLAYART.HTML


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