[Clayart] AUTOMATION -

Robert Harris robertgharris at gmail.com
Sun Sep 12 04:50:03 UTC 2021

Besides, I never said that design made something handmade, I said that
handmade things could be designed in a way that automated manufacturing
cannot be (because of expense), things such as banding, undercutting of a
foot etc.

More egregious to my mind are the potters who make things without thinking.
Without designing.
When a beginner makes a pot, there is no design, they're happy with
whatever the clay has allowed them to do. When a supposed professional sits
down and makes the same pot for the 1000th time, without thinking, without
truly looking ... then shame on them, they're no better than a machine.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:28 paul gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Every product ever made has been designed by a person or group of persons.
> So the idea that coming from a person makes something unique clearly does
> not separate handmade or art in any way from everything ever made.
> Paul
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Sep 9, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, the everlasting debates we so love to engage in.. art versis craft,
> > hand building versus wheel, commercial versus original glazes...
> > Adding my own two cents,  I have nothing against the wheel, plaster
> molds,
> > extrusions, even 3D printing as long as the design and the idea come from
> > the potter, but  I guess I have a real thing against clay stamps and
> > imprinted design rollers which are not designed by the potter using them
> > but are manufactured by someone else.   I occasionally  use clay stamps
> and
> > imprints in my work, but  they  are ones which I have designed myself.
> > Snobbish maybe, but so be it.   There are wonderful  stamp and roller
> > designs out there which are commercially available, but it bugs me that
> the
> > potter is  not the originator of the design he or she uses.   Yes,  some
> > potters do creative things using stamps and rollers they have not
> designed,
> > and of course nature has provided many found objects we incorporate in
> our
> > work (like  leaves, shells, flowers, interesting rock textures, etc.).
> > Some of my most creative slab work a few years ago was the result of
> using
> > plaster molds  i made of huge elephant ear leaves.  I would roll out a
> > clay slab on the mold, selecting one area or/or angle to use in the
> design,
> > and no two were alike.  I had taken something from nature and made it my
> > own.   And how many potters  have impressed leaves and other plant
> material
> > into clay and created their own individual form  or treatment ?   Well,
> > guys,  who feels  like  adding to this discussion?
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