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[paul gerhold]

Obviously you need to learn a bit about multi part molds and of course 3D printing. 

And I really doubt production potters spend a whole lot of time thinking about design of each individual  piece. And I don't share your opinion that production potters might as well be machines.

Paul

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> On Sep 12, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Robert Harris <robertgharris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Besides, I never said that design made something handmade, I said that
> handmade things could be designed in a way that automated manufacturing
> cannot be (because of expense), things such as banding, undercutting of a
> foot etc.
> 
> More egregious to my mind are the potters who make things without thinking.
> Without designing.
> When a beginner makes a pot, there is no design, they're happy with
> whatever the clay has allowed them to do. When a supposed professional sits
> down and makes the same pot for the 1000th time, without thinking, without
> truly looking ... then shame on them, they're no better than a machine.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:28 paul gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Every product ever made has been designed by a person or group of persons.
>> So the idea that coming from a person makes something unique clearly does
>> not separate handmade or art in any way from everything ever made.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Sep 9, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, the everlasting debates we so love to engage in.. art versis craft,
>>> hand building versus wheel, commercial versus original glazes...
>>> Adding my own two cents,  I have nothing against the wheel, plaster
>> molds,
>>> extrusions, even 3D printing as long as the design and the idea come from
>>> the potter, but  I guess I have a real thing against clay stamps and
>>> imprinted design rollers which are not designed by the potter using them
>>> but are manufactured by someone else.   I occasionally  use clay stamps
>> and
>>> imprints in my work, but  they  are ones which I have designed myself.
>>> Snobbish maybe, but so be it.   There are wonderful  stamp and roller
>>> designs out there which are commercially available, but it bugs me that
>> the
>>> potter is  not the originator of the design he or she uses.   Yes,  some
>>> potters do creative things using stamps and rollers they have not
>> designed,
>>> and of course nature has provided many found objects we incorporate in
>> our
>>> work (like  leaves, shells, flowers, interesting rock textures, etc.).
>>> Some of my most creative slab work a few years ago was the result of
>> using
>>> plaster molds  i made of huge elephant ear leaves.  I would roll out a
>>> clay slab on the mold, selecting one area or/or angle to use in the
>> design,
>>> and no two were alike.  I had taken something from nature and made it my
>>> own.   And how many potters  have impressed leaves and other plant
>> material
>>> into clay and created their own individual form  or treatment ?   Well,
>>> guys,  who feels  like  adding to this discussion?
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