[Clayart] Ceramic programs? my take?

ronroy at ca.inter.net ronroy at ca.inter.net
Tue Apr 26 16:13:14 UTC 2022

Hi Vince,

The sunflower exhibit was closed down in England - no reason given. I  
suspect they were colored with manganese and someone realized how  
toxic that was. There were pictures of children running through the  

I wonder if there are any courses in ceramics that teach anything  
about toxicity?


Quoting vpitelka at dtccom.net:

> Hi Snail -
> I like Mel's response, and I agree with him.  Anyone going into  
> chemistry must learn all the tools, materials, and processes of  
> chemistry - essentially the craftsmanship of chemistry, and they  
> teach those tools, materials, and processes in any university  
> chemistry program.  Anyone going into medicine must learn the  
> craftsmanship of whatever branch of medicine - same thing.  I don't  
> see how you can approach studio art from a completely different  
> point of view.  Whatever branch of studio art, you have to learn the  
> tools, materials, and processes, the craftsmanship of the particular  
> branch of art, in order to make art effectively.  You can't even  
> hire people to make your art effectively unless you are thoroughly  
> familiar with the tools, materials, and processes of the medium.
> Once you accept that premise, then a high level of proficiency in  
> tools, materials, and processes can be effectively employed to  
> realize the artists conceptual intent, and it makes little  
> difference whether you are talking about art that happens to be  
> utilitarian objects like pottery, or art featuring 2-D imagery that  
> elicits psychological and emotional response, or art that fills a  
> huge gallery with porcelain sunflower seeds.
> - Vince
> Vince Pitelka
> Potter, Writer, Teacher
> Chapel Hill, NC
> vpitelka at dtccom.net
> www.vincepitelka.com
> https://chathamartistsguild.org/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> On Behalf Of  
> Snail Scott
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 3:19 PM
> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum  
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> Subject: Re: [Clayart] Ceramic programs? my take?
> I know I have had this argument with Vince quite a few times, but I  
> still believe that the academic environment of a college or  
> university is not the ideal setting to learn to be a craft potter,  
> or for such instruction to occur. This is not to say it has not been  
> accomplished well in many colleges, but usually in spite of the  
> academic environment, not because of it. Why expect anything but  
> academic-style art to arise from the academic environment? Art that  
> takes advantage of that intellectual milieu, draws on other  
> disciplines and fields of knowledge, and expects the same from its  
> viewers, is a natural fit for a college art program. Production  
> craft is not. This is not denigrating the value of that craft in any  
> way, but I don?t go to a seafood stand for good steak, or a symphony  
> hall for a foot-stompin' barn dance. Condemning a university for not  
> being a trade school is equally absurd, and devalues both.
> -Snail

Ron Roy
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