[Clayart] Handmade

David Woof woofpots at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 7 05:56:40 UTC 2022

Hi Paul,
you may be the proverbial kid outside the candy store looking in and yelling that "you don't give a damn."

But yes, Paul, "you do give a damn" or you wouldn't bother to say that 'you don't give a damn.'

Taking liberty with the immortal words of the Bard: "perhaps the gentleman doth protest too much"

Oh Paul, Smile! you know you owe me one!

From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> on behalf of paul gerhold <gerholdclay at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 12:28 PM
To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Clayart] Handmade

Lots of words to say " I don't give a damn"


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2022, at 7:46 AM, John Rodgers <jrodgers113 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting conversation here. But to quote Rhett Butler in Gone With
> The Wind, I don't give a damn. Took me a  long while to arrive at this.
> Fretted  about it a lot, finally arrived at the conclusion "I created it,
> whatever it took, and if you, the customer, like it, here's my story about
> its creation. Now buy it, take it home and enjoy it. Nuff said. I have quit
> fretting myself over the debates that seem to go on forever. I have too
> many pots and other things to create instead of  spending my energy
> fretting over this. Show your customer your work, whatever it is. Talk to
> them about it. Tell them about your clay journey. Get inside their head a
> bit. Then they will be more likely to buy, and they will feel like they
> have taken a piece of the artist home with them. Gives them something to
> talk about with their friends, neighbors and relatives.
> If anyone cares to look, Google for Southern Grace Gallery and check out
> my "creations!'
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 8:32 PM <vpitelka at dtccom.net> wrote:
>> Hi Lis -
>> You didn't waste anyone's time, because this is a very important subject
>> that NEEDS to be brought up again and again.  This group is constantly
>> evolving and as Mel said, we have added a lot of new members.  It is
>> important for them to be involved in these discussions or to at least read
>> them.  If I were you, I would print some simple information about
>> "handmade" that tactfully advises buyers to seek work that is truly
>> handmade in order to support the continuity of handmade fine craft.
>> - Vince
>> Vince Pitelka
>> Potter, Writer, Teacher
>> Chapel Hill, NC
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net
>> www.vincepitelka.com<http://www.vincepitelka.com>
>> https://chathamartistsguild.org/
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> On Behalf Of Lis
>> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 2:55 PM
>> To: kathi at lesueurclaywork.com; lis at pine-ridge.ca; Clayart international
>> pottery discussion forum <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] Handmade
>> The reason I brought it up, not knowing that it had been answered about
>> 2793 times already according to Mel, is that I find myself in a situation
>> where such a potter was juried in, and is now charging very high prices for
>> what I consider inferior work. Some customers think it must be better than
>> mine, after all, it's more expensive. Sort of a double whammy for me!
>> Anyway, I guess there is no answer and I'm sorry to waste everyone's time.
>> Lis
>>> On 2022-08-05 3:23 p.m., kathi at lesueurclaywork.com wrote:
>>> This is especially a problem at juried art fairs. Even if there is a
>> potter on the jury they often have no idea of what is available to potters
>> today. I was once on a jury where the other jurors were impressed with the
>> artist’s decorating on pieces. I pointed out that the meticulous brush work
>> they were seeing was actually commercially made decals that the potter just
>> fired on the pots. What looks like unique glazing is just following
>> instructions from the glaze manufacturer on which jarred glazes to combine
>> for special looks. I once asked on another pottery forum why anyone would
>> pay $290 for a five gallon bucket of shiny blue “dipping glaze” when that
>> same bucket could be made with less than $20 in materials. Many, many
>> potters today evidently have so much spare money that they have no interest
>> in learning how to make glazes and will gladly pay $16 for an 8 ounce jar
>> of glaze.
>>> Kathi LeSueur
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Aug 5, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Lis <lis.allison at primus.ca> wrote:
>>>> Well, I certainly agree with what you wrote, David. What gets me these
>> days is all the potters switching to underglaze transfers and calling their
>> work hand made. I had someone come to my booth at a sale and ask me to make
>> her a large number of a certain item, and to decorate them using the
>> underglaze transfer she had purchased. Needless to say, I refused. My work
>> is made by hand (your definition) and hand painted. If I wanted to
>> machine-make pottery, I might as well go work in an office instead. At
>> least then I'd make real money.
>> --
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