[Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
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John Glick?
Kathi LeSueur
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> On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Craig Clark <craigclark941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 20 Most Influential Potters
>
> The list Vince provided is a definitive one. Adelaide Alsop Robineau,
> Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton Ball,
> Bernard Leach, Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie, Toshiko
> Takaezu, Ken Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada, Robin Hopper,
> Tom Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda Christianson, Randy
> Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
>
> Who have I left out?
> - Vince
> To this I would add Maria Martinez, Peter Voulkos and Paul Soldner
>
> Craig
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Mel?s Magic List (David Lyons)
>> 2. STACKING WET POTS (Mike Gordon)
>> 3. great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>> (Carolyn Curran)
>> 4. Re: top 20 list (David Woof)
>> 5. Re: great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>> (Terry Lazaroff)
>> 6. Some Important Mentors..... (Hank Murrow)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:06:59 -0600
>> From: David Lyons <lyonsd at plbb.us>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] Mel?s Magic List
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>> Spot on, Mel.
>> Dave Lyons
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:26:23 -0800
>> From: Mike Gordon <clayart at earthlink.net>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] STACKING WET POTS
>> Message-ID: <16CA8F78-420D-48DD-9BC1-9282EA0883E5 at earthlink.net>
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>> When I was teaching ceramics in high school I would sometimes stack wet
>> pots into a bisque kiln, put it on pilot over night & fire the next
>> morning. Nothing ever blew up sometimes they had cracks in the bottom.Mike
>> Gordon
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 15:30:30 -0500
>> From: Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>> glaze
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>> It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a weekly show
>> -which might explain the rushed schedule. When you. binge watch on a
>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints. But still, they use
>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he could
>> candle for longer period of time... If I were a contestant, I would be
>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially when the
>> host potters always go on. and on about drying the ware completely before
>> putting in the kiln. Maybe they have to sign a release of some sort
>> before they get on the show.
>>
>> And I still think potters can't really use glaze as a mender in most
>> cases...
>>
>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>> challenges they show on show. And of course I am hyper critical when
>> they have a segment throwing pots in miniature scale, since that's
>> been my thing for many decades. Cheerio!
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:38:12 +0000
>> From: David Woof <woofpots at hotmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
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>> Vince sez: "We don't have enough information on potters who have risen to
>> success in the 21st century to know how influential they will be. "
>>
>> Another view perhaps, would be to direct the students to do a
>> well-considered paper on the influence George Orr had on Robert Arneson and
>> Clayton Bailey et. al.
>>
>> And how this California influence has evolved to influence Modern domestic
>> Studio Pottery expressions.
>>
>> Including Vince, your own personal evolution away from the table and
>> kitchen ware you did in the Humbolt studio eons ago, to your larger
>> "sculptural buckets, pitchers, and pots" that give an honoring nod to the
>> utilitarian well they were drawn from.
>>
>> Students working together in a studio influence each other as well.
>> If one would stop and think, one might ponder, why so many folks are hung
>> up on hierarchical assessment of who was most successful, or influentially
>> great? It is such a huge world of clay work and opportunity, relax and
>> enjoy!!!
>>
>> Some presentations and assignments to students, if one breaks it down, are
>> to satisfy the administration that you did something in class that they in
>> the competitive Ivory Tower spirit can understand. Like they never get
>> much beyond learning how to "center" themselves on the toilet. And when
>> they did take an obligatory Ceramics Class on pass/fail we gave them a pass
>> as a professional courtesy.
>>
>> In Morocco I met a potter throwing pots on an old wooden wagon wheel
>> mounted on a wooden bearing stake driven into the ground. He plopped the
>> ball of clay on the central hub disc, gave the wheel a healthy spin and as
>> the slightly wobbling wheel spun, he leaned over the ground level wheel and
>> his body wobbled with it in a gracefully joyful dance as truly great
>> vessels rose, formed, and grew large under the tutoring of his capable
>> hands.
>> Out of respect that he had a living to make we didn't attempt to converse
>> verbally, but with a nod and direct eye contact, our eyes spoke everything
>> in recognition of what fellow potters need to say.
>>
>> I like to think that our meeting was an encouraging relief from the not
>> understanding hordes waving selfie sticks he had to endure each day.
>>
>> Or the Potters of U.S. South East who dig their own clay and then make
>> sure to fill in the freshly dug pit so the neighbors cow doesn't slip in
>> and become mired. Great and influential pots, sought all up and down the
>> Coast, and down to earth folk art pots and jugs that are also influential
>> in their own genre as well.
>>
>> Too big is our world to allow ourselves to apprehend it in tunnel vision.
>>
>> Misneach,
>> Woof.....................now my lyttle Muse form N. Carolina sez if I
>> don't make her a set of face mugs and jug, she is a gone gal by
>> morning!!!!...........I better get busy then, huh????......<(;
>>> 0)=}========<.................
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> on behalf of
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net <vpitelka at dtccom.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 10:17 AM
>> To: 'Clayart international pottery discussion forum' <
>> clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
>>
>> This is devolving into a fiasco of favorite potters or "best" potters
>> rather
>> than the twenty MOST INFLUENTIAL POTTERS of the past century, which is what
>> Jeff Weiland asked for. And by influential, I am assuming Jeff means the
>> potters who had the greatest influence on the subsequent evolution of
>> utilitarian studio pottery (not sculptural vessels or pure sculpture). And
>> if you are talking about the most influential on the evolution of
>> utilitarian clay, it lets out all the most recent potters, however
>> wonderful
>> they are.
>>
>> My list is confined to the twenty potters who I think had the greatest
>> influence on American utilitarian studio pottery, because that's what I
>> know
>> from my 30 years teaching ceramics in academia. So please remember that
>> this is must my own opinion. I'm selecting from throughout the 20th
>> century. We don't have enough information on potters who have risen to
>> success in the 21st century to know how influential they will be.
>>
>> Adelaide Alsop Robineau, Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton Ball,
>> Bernard Leach, Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie, Toshiko
>> Takaezu, Ken Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada, Robin Hopper,
>> Tom Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda Christianson, Randy
>> Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
>>
>> Who have I left out?
>> - Vince
>>
>> Vince Pitelka
>> Potter, Writer, Teacher
>> Chapel Hill, NC
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net
>> www.vincepitelka.com<http://www.vincepitelka.com>
>> https://chathamartistsguild.org/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Weiland
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <Clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] top 20 list
>>
>> I'm working on the curriculum for an advanced high school ceramics class. I
>> have a question...and wanted to start a debate!!!! I find great value in
>> learning from but not copying potters from years gone by. We already work
>> with porcelain and Chinese forms, earthenware and Greek forms, Native
>> American forms with slip decoration, and a few other cultures. What I want
>> to compile is a list of twenty or so most influential potter/artists, from
>> the past century or so, that I can use for research assignments. I have
>> some
>> of my favorites like Reitz, Voulkos, Coleman, Troy, etc. Suggestions and
>> "why" would be welcomed. Variety is important.
>>
>> Jeff Weiland
>> 409 Blaine Street
>> Knightstown, IN 46148
>> 765-345-2021
>> weiland at hrtc.net
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:40:24 -0500
>> From: Terry Lazaroff <terrylazaroff at gmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>> glaze
>> Message-ID: <C3DAD431-B3B5-4AE7-AE8F-F53387A2DD61 at gmail.com>
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>> I personally find these reality shows a crock. I look at the chef
>> shows. They run in the kitchen, they taste food and re use the spoon to
>> stir, and it is amazing that they can plate in ten seconds. All Bs.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a weekly
>> show
>>> -which might explain the rushed schedule. When you. binge watch on a
>>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints. But still, they
>> use
>>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he
>> could
>>> candle for longer period of time... If I were a contestant, I would be
>>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially when the
>>> host potters always go on. and on about drying the ware completely
>> before
>>> putting in the kiln. Maybe they have to sign a release of some sort
>>> before they get on the show.
>>>
>>> And I still think potters can't really use glaze as a mender in most
>>> cases...
>>>
>>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>>> challenges they show on show. And of course I am hyper critical
>> when
>>> they have a segment throwing pots in miniature scale, since that's
>>> been my thing for many decades. Cheerio!
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:39:52 -0800
>> From: Hank Murrow <hmurrow at efn.org>
>> To: Clayart discussion forum <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] Some Important Mentors.....
>> Message-ID: <ECE2B755-374D-4286-B85B-89062A74B7FA at efn.org>
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>> Dear Clay Folks;
>>
>> I can only submit a very personal list of potters who influenced me
>> through workshops, and studio experience.
>>
>> Note: My list has little to do with fame or notoriety, despite those names
>> who have accrued same. These are
>>
>> people like Peter Voulkos, who taught me to wedge the oriental way with
>> the 1000 pound batch of his clay I
>>
>> mixed for his Oregon workshop in '59.
>>
>> Then there is Robert James, who gifted me with a lifelong love of metaphor
>> and firing. He trusted me with the
>>
>> school Alpine for my first firing in a kiln of any kind. He also trusted
>> me with the care of his young childen
>>
>> when he and his wife Connie went to an event or a movie. Michael Cardew
>> helped me to make a 5 foot by 40 foot
>>
>> record on heavy craft paper of his two weeks of lectures on the
>> blackboard, which eventually became a help with
>>
>> his writing "Pioneer Potter". David Stannard worked at his studio on
>> Hilltop outside Eugene, with me watching
>>
>> his every move, and never complaining when I asked why or how. In
>> fairness, to not impede his work, I waited
>>
>> until he served the inevitable fresh baked bread with coffee afterwards.
>> He also allowed me to overfire that first
>>
>> Alpine, gently suggesting that it might be finished, and I shold draw on
>> the blackboard how the cones looked when
>>
>> I set them up. Then he retired the 10 Oclock pm studio, and left it up to
>> me to figure it out.
>>
>> Since thoase days, I have built as many as 175 kilns, and I give him the
>> credit for never squashing my enthusiasm,
>>
>> along with Bob James himself, who quietly told me where to find the spare
>> parts to get that overfired Alpine back
>>
>> in service! which I did that very day by dinnertime.
>>
>> Our own Vince Pitelka, newly in a wheelchair due to a horribly battered
>> leg from an accident in the Escalante
>>
>> Canyon, let me teach his students for 8 weeks at the Appalachian Center
>> for Craft, and fire a soda kiln, and the
>>
>> bigger stoneware kiln, and daily show his students how I worked , while
>> building those kiln loads of my stuff.
>>
>>
>> George Kokis hired me in the absence of his boss, Henry Lin, at Ohio U. in
>> Athens, and between us both we created
>>
>> a fine opportunity for those students in which to grow and learn. I
>> returned the favor later, when I helped him to
>>
>> get the job from which he retired, at the U of Oregon. Hamada Shoji and
>> his son Shinsaku endured my questions at
>>
>> the workshop they gave at USC, and along with my partner in the Venice
>> PotShop, Jane Heald, we enjoyed a fine
>>
>> lunch Jane brought most days during those several weeks, and I made sure
>> that there were Dos Equis beers on hand,
>>
>> which improved their willingness to speak English noticeably after lunch.
>> Jane became the Mother-who-Understands-
>>
>> and-Inspires me for the remainder of her very creative life.
>>
>> In 1996, I asked Harry Davis to come for a workshop at the U of Oregon for
>> three weeks, scrounging funds from the
>>
>> City of Eugene for this, and he responded with a memorable series of
>> morning and evening talks about the various
>>
>> potteries he worked in in England, and later started in Africa, Peru, and
>> New Zealand. Copies of those notes he also
>>
>> used to help him write his own book, ?The Potters?Alternative?.
>>
>> James Laub was a student at Ohio, who became a best friend there, and gave
>> me the chance to build my first lifting
>>
>> fiberkiln, a 350cuft kiln, serving two firing pads from an overhead beam
>> and a traveling winch. This formative design for a
>>
>> factory he was building freed me up to develop my own studio-sized(28
>> cuft) lifting version that eventually led to two dozen,
>>
>> built for potters in Canada and around the US. Jim, having sold his own
>> group shop in Eugene, is retiring to do his own work,
>>
>> and we are building a new version of our design, a bit smaller at 12cuft,
>> for his new situation. Perhaps if it is successful, we will
>>
>> find a manufacturer who wants to build it for other potters. At 83, I am
>> more interested in continuing my own clay work than
>>
>> making money, and my own Doorless Fiberkiln is newly re-lined with
>> Zircoonia-reinforced fiber that promises a lifetime(and beyond my own)
>>
>> of fires, as it has only 500 or so on it at present. I will have a younger
>> potter in my will to gift it to. The copy in the Shadbolt Centre in
>>
>> BC has 2400 fires to its credit, so I am encouraged.
>>
>> There have been others who were just as generous to me during my 64-year
>> apprenticeship, but those will have to await another
>>
>> day and another chin-wag with the Clayart Community. Meanwhile, I have my
>> own book to write and self-publish if I can. I will
>>
>> call it A Potters Primer, as I hope it will reach young ears and eyes who
>> are starting in clay, and might find a helping hand useful.
>>
>> Cheers! to Clayart list serve, Hank in Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> End of Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
>> ***************************************
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