[Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
vpitelka at dtccom.net
vpitelka at dtccom.net
Sat Jan 29 20:31:31 UTC 2022
Yes, I think John Glick belongs on that list. He was very influential through Plum Tree Pottery and through all his apprentices.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Potter, Writer, Teacher
Chapel Hill, NC
vpitelka at dtccom.net
www.vincepitelka.com
https://chathamartistsguild.org/
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Subject: Re: [Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
John Glick?
Kathi LeSueur
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> On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Craig Clark <craigclark941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 20 Most Influential Potters
>
> The list Vince provided is a definitive one. Adelaide Alsop Robineau,
> Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton Ball, Bernard Leach,
> Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie, Toshiko Takaezu, Ken
> Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada, Robin Hopper, Tom
> Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda Christianson, Randy
> Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
>
> Who have I left out?
> - Vince
> To this I would add Maria Martinez, Peter Voulkos and Paul Soldner
>
> Craig
>
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>> 1. Mel?s Magic List (David Lyons)
>> 2. STACKING WET POTS (Mike Gordon)
>> 3. great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>> (Carolyn Curran)
>> 4. Re: top 20 list (David Woof)
>> 5. Re: great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>> (Terry Lazaroff)
>> 6. Some Important Mentors..... (Hank Murrow)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:06:59 -0600
>> From: David Lyons <lyonsd at plbb.us>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] Mel?s Magic List
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>> Spot on, Mel.
>> Dave Lyons
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:26:23 -0800
>> From: Mike Gordon <clayart at earthlink.net>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] STACKING WET POTS
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>> When I was teaching ceramics in high school I would sometimes stack
>> wet pots into a bisque kiln, put it on pilot over night & fire the
>> next morning. Nothing ever blew up sometimes they had cracks in the
>> bottom.Mike Gordon
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 15:30:30 -0500
>> From: Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>> glaze
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>> It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a weekly
>> show -which might explain the rushed schedule. When you. binge watch on a
>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints. But still, they use
>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he could
>> candle for longer period of time... If I were a contestant, I would be
>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially when
>> the host potters always go on. and on about drying the ware completely before
>> putting in the kiln. Maybe they have to sign a release of some sort
>> before they get on the show.
>>
>> And I still think potters can't really use glaze as a mender in most
>> cases...
>>
>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>> challenges they show on show. And of course I am hyper critical when
>> they have a segment throwing pots in miniature scale, since
>> that's been my thing for many decades. Cheerio!
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:38:12 +0000
>> From: David Woof <woofpots at hotmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
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>> Vince sez: "We don't have enough information on potters who have
>> risen to success in the 21st century to know how influential they will be. "
>>
>> Another view perhaps, would be to direct the students to do a
>> well-considered paper on the influence George Orr had on Robert
>> Arneson and Clayton Bailey et. al.
>>
>> And how this California influence has evolved to influence Modern
>> domestic Studio Pottery expressions.
>>
>> Including Vince, your own personal evolution away from the table and
>> kitchen ware you did in the Humbolt studio eons ago, to your larger
>> "sculptural buckets, pitchers, and pots" that give an honoring nod to
>> the utilitarian well they were drawn from.
>>
>> Students working together in a studio influence each other as well.
>> If one would stop and think, one might ponder, why so many folks are
>> hung up on hierarchical assessment of who was most successful, or
>> influentially great? It is such a huge world of clay work and
>> opportunity, relax and enjoy!!!
>>
>> Some presentations and assignments to students, if one breaks it
>> down, are to satisfy the administration that you did something in class that they in
>> the competitive Ivory Tower spirit can understand. Like they never get
>> much beyond learning how to "center" themselves on the toilet. And
>> when they did take an obligatory Ceramics Class on pass/fail we gave
>> them a pass as a professional courtesy.
>>
>> In Morocco I met a potter throwing pots on an old wooden wagon wheel
>> mounted on a wooden bearing stake driven into the ground. He plopped
>> the ball of clay on the central hub disc, gave the wheel a healthy
>> spin and as the slightly wobbling wheel spun, he leaned over the
>> ground level wheel and his body wobbled with it in a gracefully
>> joyful dance as truly great vessels rose, formed, and grew large
>> under the tutoring of his capable hands.
>> Out of respect that he had a living to make we didn't attempt to
>> converse verbally, but with a nod and direct eye contact, our eyes
>> spoke everything in recognition of what fellow potters need to say.
>>
>> I like to think that our meeting was an encouraging relief from the
>> not understanding hordes waving selfie sticks he had to endure each day.
>>
>> Or the Potters of U.S. South East who dig their own clay and then
>> make sure to fill in the freshly dug pit so the neighbors cow doesn't
>> slip in and become mired. Great and influential pots, sought all up
>> and down the Coast, and down to earth folk art pots and jugs that are
>> also influential in their own genre as well.
>>
>> Too big is our world to allow ourselves to apprehend it in tunnel vision.
>>
>> Misneach,
>> Woof.....................now my lyttle Muse form N. Carolina sez if I
>> don't make her a set of face mugs and jug, she is a gone gal by
>> morning!!!!...........I better get busy then, huh????......<(;
>>> 0)=}========<.................
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> on behalf of
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net <vpitelka at dtccom.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 10:17 AM
>> To: 'Clayart international pottery discussion forum' <
>> clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
>>
>> This is devolving into a fiasco of favorite potters or "best" potters
>> rather than the twenty MOST INFLUENTIAL POTTERS of the past century,
>> which is what Jeff Weiland asked for. And by influential, I am
>> assuming Jeff means the potters who had the greatest influence on the
>> subsequent evolution of utilitarian studio pottery (not sculptural
>> vessels or pure sculpture). And if you are talking about the most
>> influential on the evolution of utilitarian clay, it lets out all the
>> most recent potters, however wonderful they are.
>>
>> My list is confined to the twenty potters who I think had the
>> greatest influence on American utilitarian studio pottery, because
>> that's what I know from my 30 years teaching ceramics in academia.
>> So please remember that this is must my own opinion. I'm selecting
>> from throughout the 20th century. We don't have enough information
>> on potters who have risen to success in the 21st century to know how
>> influential they will be.
>>
>> Adelaide Alsop Robineau, Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton
>> Ball, Bernard Leach, Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie,
>> Toshiko Takaezu, Ken Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada,
>> Robin Hopper, Tom Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda
>> Christianson, Randy Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
>>
>> Who have I left out?
>> - Vince
>>
>> Vince Pitelka
>> Potter, Writer, Teacher
>> Chapel Hill, NC
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net
>> www.vincepitelka.com<http://www.vincepitelka.com>
>> https://chathamartistsguild.org/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> On Behalf Of
>> Jeff Weiland
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <Clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] top 20 list
>>
>> I'm working on the curriculum for an advanced high school ceramics
>> class. I have a question...and wanted to start a debate!!!! I find
>> great value in learning from but not copying potters from years gone
>> by. We already work with porcelain and Chinese forms, earthenware and
>> Greek forms, Native American forms with slip decoration, and a few
>> other cultures. What I want to compile is a list of twenty or so most
>> influential potter/artists, from the past century or so, that I can
>> use for research assignments. I have some of my favorites like Reitz,
>> Voulkos, Coleman, Troy, etc. Suggestions and "why" would be welcomed.
>> Variety is important.
>>
>> Jeff Weiland
>> 409 Blaine Street
>> Knightstown, IN 46148
>> 765-345-2021
>> weiland at hrtc.net
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:40:24 -0500
>> From: Terry Lazaroff <terrylazaroff at gmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>> <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>> glaze
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>> I personally find these reality shows a crock. I look at the chef
>> shows. They run in the kitchen, they taste food and re use the spoon
>> to stir, and it is amazing that they can plate in ten seconds. All Bs.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a
>>> weekly
>> show
>>> -which might explain the rushed schedule. When you. binge watch on a
>>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints. But still, they
>> use
>>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he
>> could
>>> candle for longer period of time... If I were a contestant, I would be
>>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially
>>> when the host potters always go on. and on about drying the ware
>>> completely
>> before
>>> putting in the kiln. Maybe they have to sign a release of some sort
>>> before they get on the show.
>>>
>>> And I still think potters can't really use glaze as a mender in
>>> most cases...
>>>
>>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>>> challenges they show on show. And of course I am hyper critical
>> when
>>> they have a segment throwing pots in miniature scale, since
>>> that's been my thing for many decades. Cheerio!
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:39:52 -0800
>> From: Hank Murrow <hmurrow at efn.org>
>> To: Clayart discussion forum <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] Some Important Mentors.....
>> Message-ID: <ECE2B755-374D-4286-B85B-89062A74B7FA at efn.org>
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>> Dear Clay Folks;
>>
>> I can only submit a very personal list of potters who influenced me
>> through workshops, and studio experience.
>>
>> Note: My list has little to do with fame or notoriety, despite those
>> names who have accrued same. These are
>>
>> people like Peter Voulkos, who taught me to wedge the oriental way
>> with the 1000 pound batch of his clay I
>>
>> mixed for his Oregon workshop in '59.
>>
>> Then there is Robert James, who gifted me with a lifelong love of
>> metaphor and firing. He trusted me with the
>>
>> school Alpine for my first firing in a kiln of any kind. He also
>> trusted me with the care of his young childen
>>
>> when he and his wife Connie went to an event or a movie. Michael
>> Cardew helped me to make a 5 foot by 40 foot
>>
>> record on heavy craft paper of his two weeks of lectures on the
>> blackboard, which eventually became a help with
>>
>> his writing "Pioneer Potter". David Stannard worked at his studio on
>> Hilltop outside Eugene, with me watching
>>
>> his every move, and never complaining when I asked why or how. In
>> fairness, to not impede his work, I waited
>>
>> until he served the inevitable fresh baked bread with coffee afterwards.
>> He also allowed me to overfire that first
>>
>> Alpine, gently suggesting that it might be finished, and I shold draw
>> on the blackboard how the cones looked when
>>
>> I set them up. Then he retired the 10 Oclock pm studio, and left it
>> up to me to figure it out.
>>
>> Since thoase days, I have built as many as 175 kilns, and I give him
>> the credit for never squashing my enthusiasm,
>>
>> along with Bob James himself, who quietly told me where to find the
>> spare parts to get that overfired Alpine back
>>
>> in service! which I did that very day by dinnertime.
>>
>> Our own Vince Pitelka, newly in a wheelchair due to a horribly
>> battered leg from an accident in the Escalante
>>
>> Canyon, let me teach his students for 8 weeks at the Appalachian
>> Center for Craft, and fire a soda kiln, and the
>>
>> bigger stoneware kiln, and daily show his students how I worked ,
>> while building those kiln loads of my stuff.
>>
>>
>> George Kokis hired me in the absence of his boss, Henry Lin, at Ohio
>> U. in Athens, and between us both we created
>>
>> a fine opportunity for those students in which to grow and learn. I
>> returned the favor later, when I helped him to
>>
>> get the job from which he retired, at the U of Oregon. Hamada Shoji
>> and his son Shinsaku endured my questions at
>>
>> the workshop they gave at USC, and along with my partner in the
>> Venice PotShop, Jane Heald, we enjoyed a fine
>>
>> lunch Jane brought most days during those several weeks, and I made
>> sure that there were Dos Equis beers on hand,
>>
>> which improved their willingness to speak English noticeably after lunch.
>> Jane became the Mother-who-Understands-
>>
>> and-Inspires me for the remainder of her very creative life.
>>
>> In 1996, I asked Harry Davis to come for a workshop at the U of
>> Oregon for three weeks, scrounging funds from the
>>
>> City of Eugene for this, and he responded with a memorable series of
>> morning and evening talks about the various
>>
>> potteries he worked in in England, and later started in Africa, Peru,
>> and New Zealand. Copies of those notes he also
>>
>> used to help him write his own book, ?The Potters?Alternative?.
>>
>> James Laub was a student at Ohio, who became a best friend there, and
>> gave me the chance to build my first lifting
>>
>> fiberkiln, a 350cuft kiln, serving two firing pads from an overhead
>> beam and a traveling winch. This formative design for a
>>
>> factory he was building freed me up to develop my own studio-sized(28
>> cuft) lifting version that eventually led to two dozen,
>>
>> built for potters in Canada and around the US. Jim, having sold his
>> own group shop in Eugene, is retiring to do his own work,
>>
>> and we are building a new version of our design, a bit smaller at
>> 12cuft, for his new situation. Perhaps if it is successful, we will
>>
>> find a manufacturer who wants to build it for other potters. At 83, I
>> am more interested in continuing my own clay work than
>>
>> making money, and my own Doorless Fiberkiln is newly re-lined with
>> Zircoonia-reinforced fiber that promises a lifetime(and beyond my
>> own)
>>
>> of fires, as it has only 500 or so on it at present. I will have a
>> younger potter in my will to gift it to. The copy in the Shadbolt
>> Centre in
>>
>> BC has 2400 fires to its credit, so I am encouraged.
>>
>> There have been others who were just as generous to me during my
>> 64-year apprenticeship, but those will have to await another
>>
>> day and another chin-wag with the Clayart Community. Meanwhile, I
>> have my own book to write and self-publish if I can. I will
>>
>> call it A Potters Primer, as I hope it will reach young ears and eyes
>> who are starting in clay, and might find a helping hand useful.
>>
>> Cheers! to Clayart list serve, Hank in Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> End of Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
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