[Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69

vpitelka at dtccom.net vpitelka at dtccom.net
Sat Jan 29 20:31:31 UTC 2022


Yes, I think John Glick belongs on that list.  He was very influential through Plum Tree Pottery and through all his apprentices.  
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Potter, Writer, Teacher
Chapel Hill, NC
vpitelka at dtccom.net
www.vincepitelka.com 
https://chathamartistsguild.org/ 

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Subject: Re: [Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69

John Glick?

Kathi LeSueur

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> On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Craig Clark <craigclark941 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 20 Most Influential Potters
> 
> The list Vince provided is a definitive one. Adelaide Alsop Robineau, 
> Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton Ball, Bernard Leach, 
> Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie, Toshiko Takaezu, Ken 
> Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada, Robin Hopper, Tom 
> Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda Christianson, Randy 
> Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
> 
> Who have I left out?
> - Vince
> To this I would add Maria Martinez, Peter Voulkos and Paul Soldner
> 
> Craig
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Mel?s Magic List (David Lyons)
>>   2. STACKING WET POTS (Mike Gordon)
>>   3. great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>>      (Carolyn Curran)
>>   4. Re: top 20 list (David Woof)
>>   5. Re: great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/ glaze
>>      (Terry Lazaroff)
>>   6. Some Important Mentors..... (Hank Murrow)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:06:59 -0600
>> From: David Lyons <lyonsd at plbb.us>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] Mel?s Magic List
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>> Spot on, Mel.
>> Dave Lyons
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:26:23 -0800
>> From: Mike Gordon <clayart at earthlink.net>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>>        <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] STACKING WET POTS
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>> When I was teaching ceramics in high school I would sometimes stack 
>> wet pots  into a bisque kiln, put it on pilot over night & fire the 
>> next morning. Nothing ever blew up sometimes they had cracks in the 
>> bottom.Mike Gordon
>> 
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 15:30:30 -0500
>> From: Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com>
>> To: clayart at lists.clayartworld.com
>> Subject: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>>        glaze
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>> It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a weekly 
>> show -which might explain the rushed schedule.  When you. binge  watch on a
>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints.    But still, they use
>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he  could
>> candle for longer period of time...   If I were a contestant, I would be
>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially when 
>> the host potters always go on. and on  about drying the ware completely before
>> putting in the kiln.   Maybe they  have to sign a release  of some sort
>> before they get on the show.
>> 
>> And I still think  potters can't really use glaze as a mender in most 
>> cases...
>> 
>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>> challenges  they show  on show.   And   of course  I am hyper critical when
>> they have  a  segment  throwing  pots in miniature scale,  since 
>> that's been my thing for many decades.  Cheerio!
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:38:12 +0000
>> From: David Woof <woofpots at hotmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>>        <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
>> Message-ID:
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>> Vince sez: "We don't have enough information on potters who have 
>> risen to success in the 21st century to know how influential they will be. "
>> 
>> Another view perhaps, would be to direct the students to do a 
>> well-considered paper on the influence George Orr had on Robert 
>> Arneson and Clayton Bailey et. al.
>> 
>> And how this California influence has evolved to influence Modern 
>> domestic Studio Pottery expressions.
>> 
>> Including Vince, your own personal evolution away from the table and 
>> kitchen ware you did in the Humbolt studio eons ago, to your larger 
>> "sculptural buckets, pitchers, and pots" that give an honoring nod to 
>> the utilitarian well they were drawn from.
>> 
>> Students working together in a studio influence each other as well.
>> If one would stop and think, one might ponder, why so many folks are 
>> hung up on hierarchical assessment of who was most successful, or 
>> influentially great? It is such a huge world of clay work and 
>> opportunity, relax and enjoy!!!
>> 
>> Some presentations and assignments to students, if one breaks it 
>> down, are to satisfy the administration that you did something in class that they in
>> the competitive Ivory Tower spirit can understand.    Like they never get
>> much beyond learning how to "center" themselves on the toilet. And 
>> when they did take an obligatory Ceramics Class on pass/fail we gave 
>> them a pass as a professional courtesy.
>> 
>> In Morocco I met a potter throwing pots on an old wooden wagon wheel 
>> mounted on a wooden bearing stake driven into the ground.  He plopped 
>> the ball of clay on the central hub disc, gave the wheel a healthy 
>> spin and as the slightly wobbling wheel spun, he leaned over the 
>> ground level wheel and his body wobbled with it in a gracefully 
>> joyful dance as truly great vessels rose, formed, and grew large 
>> under the tutoring of his capable hands.
>> Out of respect that he had a living to make we didn't attempt to 
>> converse verbally, but with a nod and direct eye contact, our eyes 
>> spoke everything in recognition of what fellow potters need to say.
>> 
>> I like to think that our meeting was an encouraging relief from the 
>> not understanding hordes waving selfie sticks he had to endure each day.
>> 
>> Or the Potters of U.S. South East who dig their own clay and then 
>> make sure to fill in the freshly dug pit so the neighbors cow doesn't 
>> slip in and become mired.  Great and influential pots, sought all up 
>> and down the Coast, and down to earth folk art pots and jugs that are 
>> also influential in their own genre as well.
>> 
>> Too big is our world to allow ourselves to apprehend it in tunnel vision.
>> 
>> Misneach,
>> Woof.....................now my lyttle Muse form N. Carolina sez if I 
>> don't make her a set of face mugs and jug, she is a gone gal by 
>> morning!!!!...........I better get busy then, huh????......<(;
>>> 0)=}========<.................
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> on behalf of 
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net <vpitelka at dtccom.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 10:17 AM
>> To: 'Clayart international pottery discussion forum' < 
>> clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] top 20 list
>> 
>> This is devolving into a fiasco of favorite potters or "best" potters 
>> rather than the twenty MOST INFLUENTIAL POTTERS of the past century, 
>> which is what Jeff Weiland asked for.  And by influential, I am 
>> assuming Jeff means the potters who had the greatest influence on the 
>> subsequent evolution of utilitarian studio pottery (not sculptural 
>> vessels or pure sculpture).  And if you are talking about the most 
>> influential on the evolution of utilitarian clay, it lets out all the 
>> most recent potters, however wonderful they are.
>> 
>> My list is confined to the twenty potters who I think had the 
>> greatest influence on American utilitarian studio pottery, because 
>> that's what I know from my 30 years teaching ceramics in academia.  
>> So please remember that this is must my own opinion.  I'm selecting 
>> from throughout the 20th century.  We don't have enough information 
>> on potters who have risen to success in the 21st century to know how 
>> influential they will be.
>> 
>> Adelaide Alsop Robineau, Charles Fergus Binns, George Ohr, F. Carlton 
>> Ball, Bernard Leach, Michael Cardew, Val Cushing, Warren McKenzie, 
>> Toshiko Takaezu, Ken Ferguson, David Shaner, Lucie Rie, Shoji Hamada, 
>> Robin Hopper, Tom Coleman, Ellen Shankin, Jeff Oestreich, Linda 
>> Christianson, Randy Johnston, Josh DeWeese.
>> 
>> Who have I left out?
>> - Vince
>> 
>> Vince Pitelka
>> Potter, Writer, Teacher
>> Chapel Hill, NC
>> vpitelka at dtccom.net
>> www.vincepitelka.com<http://www.vincepitelka.com>
>> https://chathamartistsguild.org/
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartworld.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Jeff Weiland
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum 
>> <Clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] top 20 list
>> 
>> I'm working on the curriculum for an advanced high school ceramics 
>> class. I have a question...and wanted to start a debate!!!! I find 
>> great value in learning from but not copying potters from years gone 
>> by. We already work with porcelain and Chinese forms, earthenware and 
>> Greek forms, Native American forms with slip decoration, and a few 
>> other cultures. What I want to compile is a list of twenty or so most 
>> influential potter/artists, from the past century or so, that I can 
>> use for research assignments. I have some of my favorites like Reitz, 
>> Voulkos, Coleman, Troy, etc. Suggestions and "why" would be welcomed. 
>> Variety is important.
>> 
>> Jeff Weiland
>> 409 Blaine Street
>> Knightstown, IN 46148
>> 765-345-2021
>> weiland at hrtc.net
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:40:24 -0500
>> From: Terry Lazaroff <terrylazaroff at gmail.com>
>> To: Clayart international pottery discussion forum
>>        <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clayart] great Pottery Throw Down? mending lamp base w/
>>        glaze
>> Message-ID: <C3DAD431-B3B5-4AE7-AE8F-F53387A2DD61 at gmail.com>
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>> I personally find these reality shows a crock.   I look at the chef
>> shows.  They run in the kitchen, they taste food and re use the spoon 
>> to stir, and it is amazing that they can plate in ten seconds.  All Bs.
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Carolyn Curran <cncpots2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?It just dawned on me that the Pottery Throw Down Show may be a 
>>> weekly
>> show
>>> -which might explain the rushed schedule.  When you. binge  watch on a
>>> streaming channel, you forget the time constraints.    But still, they
>> use
>>> a big deal expert kiln man to fire the pieces and you would think he
>> could
>>> candle for longer period of time...   If I were a contestant, I would be
>>> ticked off if my pieces were not dry. and exploded....especially 
>>> when the host potters always go on. and on  about drying the ware 
>>> completely
>> before
>>> putting in the kiln.   Maybe they  have to sign a release  of some sort
>>> before they get on the show.
>>> 
>>> And I still think  potters can't really use glaze as a mender in 
>>> most cases...
>>> 
>>> I think I am most of all fascinated by the toilet projects or other water
>>> challenges  they show  on show.   And   of course  I am hyper critical
>> when
>>> they have  a  segment  throwing  pots in miniature scale,  since 
>>> that's been my thing for many decades.  Cheerio!
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:39:52 -0800
>> From: Hank Murrow <hmurrow at efn.org>
>> To: Clayart discussion forum <clayart at lists.clayartworld.com>
>> Subject: [Clayart] Some Important Mentors.....
>> Message-ID: <ECE2B755-374D-4286-B85B-89062A74B7FA at efn.org>
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>> Dear Clay Folks;
>> 
>> I can only submit a very personal list of potters who influenced me 
>> through workshops, and studio experience.
>> 
>> Note: My list has little to do with fame or notoriety, despite those 
>> names who have accrued same. These are
>> 
>> people like Peter Voulkos, who taught me to wedge the oriental way 
>> with the 1000 pound batch of his clay I
>> 
>> mixed for his Oregon workshop in '59.
>> 
>> Then there is Robert James, who gifted me with a lifelong love of 
>> metaphor and firing. He trusted me with the
>> 
>> school Alpine for my first firing in a kiln of any kind. He also 
>> trusted me with the care of his young childen
>> 
>> when he and his wife Connie went to an event or a movie. Michael 
>> Cardew helped me to make a 5 foot by 40 foot
>> 
>> record on heavy craft paper of his two weeks of lectures on the 
>> blackboard, which eventually became a help with
>> 
>> his writing "Pioneer Potter". David Stannard worked at his studio on 
>> Hilltop outside Eugene, with me watching
>> 
>> his every move, and never complaining when I asked why or how. In 
>> fairness, to not impede his work, I waited
>> 
>> until he served the inevitable fresh baked bread with coffee afterwards.
>> He also allowed me to overfire that first
>> 
>> Alpine, gently suggesting that it might be finished, and I shold draw 
>> on the blackboard how the cones looked when
>> 
>> I set them up. Then he retired the 10 Oclock pm studio, and left it 
>> up to me to figure it out.
>> 
>> Since thoase days, I have built as many as 175 kilns, and I give him 
>> the credit for never squashing my enthusiasm,
>> 
>> along with Bob James himself, who quietly told me where to find the 
>> spare parts to get that overfired Alpine back
>> 
>> in service! which I did that very day by dinnertime.
>> 
>> Our own Vince Pitelka, newly in a wheelchair due to a horribly 
>> battered leg from an accident in the Escalante
>> 
>> Canyon, let me teach his students for 8 weeks at the Appalachian 
>> Center for Craft, and fire a soda kiln, and the
>> 
>> bigger stoneware kiln, and daily show his students how I worked , 
>> while building those kiln loads of my stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> George Kokis hired me in the absence of his boss, Henry Lin, at Ohio 
>> U. in Athens, and between us both we created
>> 
>> a fine opportunity for those students in which to grow and learn. I 
>> returned the favor later, when I helped him to
>> 
>> get the job from which he retired, at the U of Oregon. Hamada Shoji 
>> and his son Shinsaku endured my questions at
>> 
>> the workshop they gave at USC, and along with my partner in the 
>> Venice PotShop, Jane Heald, we enjoyed a fine
>> 
>> lunch Jane brought most days during those several weeks, and I made 
>> sure that there were Dos Equis beers on hand,
>> 
>> which improved their willingness to speak English noticeably after lunch.
>> Jane became the Mother-who-Understands-
>> 
>> and-Inspires me for the remainder of her very creative life.
>> 
>> In 1996, I asked Harry Davis to come for a workshop at the U of 
>> Oregon for three weeks, scrounging funds from the
>> 
>> City of Eugene for this, and he responded with a memorable series of 
>> morning and evening talks about the various
>> 
>> potteries he worked in in England, and later started in Africa, Peru, 
>> and New Zealand. Copies of those notes he also
>> 
>> used to help him write his own book, ?The Potters?Alternative?.
>> 
>> James Laub was a student at Ohio, who became a best friend there, and 
>> gave me the chance to build my first lifting
>> 
>> fiberkiln, a 350cuft kiln, serving two firing pads from an overhead 
>> beam and a traveling winch. This formative design for a
>> 
>> factory he was building freed me up to develop my own studio-sized(28
>> cuft) lifting version that eventually led to two dozen,
>> 
>> built for potters in Canada and around the US. Jim, having sold his 
>> own group shop in Eugene, is retiring to do his own work,
>> 
>> and we are building a new version of our design, a bit smaller at 
>> 12cuft, for his new situation. Perhaps if it is successful, we will
>> 
>> find a manufacturer who wants to build it for other potters. At 83, I 
>> am more interested in continuing my own clay work than
>> 
>> making money, and my own Doorless Fiberkiln is newly re-lined with 
>> Zircoonia-reinforced fiber that promises a lifetime(and beyond my 
>> own)
>> 
>> of fires, as it has only 500 or so on it at present. I will have a 
>> younger potter in my will to gift it to. The copy in the Shadbolt 
>> Centre in
>> 
>> BC has 2400 fires to its credit, so I am encouraged.
>> 
>> There have been others who were just as generous to me during my 
>> 64-year apprenticeship, but those will have to await another
>> 
>> day and another chin-wag with the Clayart Community. Meanwhile, I 
>> have my own book to write and self-publish if I can. I will
>> 
>> call it A Potters Primer, as I hope it will reach young ears and eyes 
>> who are starting in clay, and might find a helping hand useful.
>> 
>> Cheers! to Clayart list serve, Hank in Eugene
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> End of Clayart Digest, Vol 74, Issue 69
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