Thank you guys. Lots of info to process. Vince, you are a very lucky guy! The luckiest that I've heard about this far is an 18 year old daughter whose dad bought a stainless steel pugmill from a college for $100. The clay got stuck and it stopped working. They sold it "as is" thinking the motor went out. The dad opened and cleaned it. It works! 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:16 PM <> wrote:
For 40 years, I used the Harry David vacuum-deairing pugmill I built in 1978 from the plans that eventually appeared in Harry's "The Potter's Alternative."  The plans were supplied to me by Hank Murrow.  I have a background in mechanics and welding, and it was a very advanced project.  The finished machine would pug and deair a ton an hour, but I never needed for it to do that much.  In my production studio in California it was a godsend because I never had to wedge clay and I could custom combine commercial claybodies. 

Three days ago, I got a notification from Craig's list that someone only ten miles from my home in North Carolina had a Bluebird 440 for sale in like-new condition.  I'm out in Northern California right now (Lava Beds National Monument, but I jumped on it, and the seller delivered it to my house yesterday, complete with a welded steel table with a stainless steel top.  This makes me very happy, because I want to process all my recycle, and I want to combine Starworks Star White-6 and one of their buff cone-10 bodies to get a body that matures at cone-8, because that's where my glazes and the soda effects look best in my soda-firings. 
- Vince 

Vince Pitelka
Potter, Writer, Teacher
Chapel Hill, NC

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From: Clayart <> On Behalf Of William Schran
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 8:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [Clayart] pugmills

I use a Bluebird 440s de-airing that I bought used.It is aluminum barrel but I use for reclaiming stoneware.Works well but small hopper and does not seal up to keep residual clay from drying if not used on regular basis.
When teaching I bought two Peter Puggers.We had a VPM20 aluminum barrel for stoneware.A VPM9-SS, stainless steel for porcelain.Both were de-airing.Wonderful machines, got lots of use recycling reclaim.Hopper was big and served as a mixing chamber and pug mill, so one could add amendments to the clay and mix before pugging.These machines could be easily sealed up to prevent clay from drying between use.

William Schranwschran@twc.com703-505-1617

        -----------------------------------------From: "Antoinette Badenhorst"

To: "clayart"
Sent: Wednesday August 4 2021 9:14:30PM
Subject: [Clayart] pugmills

 Hi guys. The last time I owned a pugmill was 22 years ago, before I came to  the USA.
 I am considering one or probably 2 at this stage, stainless steel for  porcelain and another for stoneware clay.
 What do I have to look for before I buy? Is it worth it to buy second hand.
 If so, what should I look for? Thanks again.

 Best wishes,

 Antoinette Badenhorst

 *PorcelainByAntoinette *
 *International Academy of Ceramics*

 *Mississippi Arts Commission
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