Slab roller died and I'm baffled by the options for replacement.
Anybody have experience with both countertop and free-standing units?
Any kudos or warnings re Shimpo, Bailey, North Star? 
Thanks in advance,
Jeff Lawrence

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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:36:24 -0500
From: ronroy@ca.inter.net
To: William Schran <wschran@twc.com>, Clayart international pottery
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Subject: Re: [Clayart] hand building
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Pinching can give real insights into forming on the wheel. In both 
cases if you thin the walls and don't let the form expand the walls 
move up. One of my 1st favorite pots was illustrated in a Potters Book 
by B Leach - a pinched tea bowl with straight sides.

I think we should try to keep our minds open to all possibilities, 
there are wonderful examples of work made with all techniques and 


Quoting William Schran <wschran@twc.com>:

> I also in my first semester ceramics class began with pinch pots,
> beginning with simple bowl forms moving to hollow spheres than making
> a whistle with a sphere.At the start of the second semester, beginning
> wheel throwing during the intro class I would have them make a pinch
> pot and talk about that process of moving the clay up from the bottom
> working towards an even wall thickness. I would then demo the basic
> wheel throwing process and relate actions to what they did with the
> pinch pot, but now instead of hands turning the clay, the wheel turns
> the clay....
> Bill
> William Schranwschran@twc.com703-505-1617
>       -----------------------------------------From: "Snail Scott"
> To: "Clayart international pottery discussion forum"
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> Sent: Wednesday January 19 2022 1:31:55PM
> Subject: Re: [Clayart] hand building
>  > On Jan 16, 2022, at 10:29 AM, mel jacobson  wrote:
>  > my discussion on hand building was, and is a reaction
>  > to those that work at home, small kiln, and hand build their work
>  > in clay. It is often overlooked. Hobby potter sort of thing?
>  Most of my students had their first and last experience with
> handbuilding in the third grade, or so, making pinch pots. They imbibe
> the notion that the wheel is for the big kids, and handbuilding gets
> set aside forever as a lesser form, because they never learned its
> true potential.
>  I start my intro college course with pinching, and I can see the
> immediate reaction?'Oh, I know this, it?s kid stuff.' It?s not.
> Kids are actually really bad at it, as they lack the manual dexterity
> and finger strength to make proper use of it. Pinch pots are all
> simple squishing between thumb and finger. Easy - pressure makes
> things thinner and wider. I call it the ?Road Kill Effect: the more
> it gets squished, the thinner it gets and the further it spreads. Icky
> but memorable.
>  "Now, control for consistent thickness and curvature; make a
> hemisphere." ("Why does it keep getting too thin and floppy?" "Road
> Kill Effect!?) ?Now, take that hemisphere, and make it a sphere.
> Bring that rim back inward, keeping a consistent thickness and
> curvature.? How to make it thicker and shorter, instead of wider and
> thinner? 'Why does it keep folding?!?? (Now reality sets in!)
> ?Now, pinch a cube. Make sure the walls are the same thickness right
> to the corners.? "Make it low and wide?now make it tall; reverse
> the proportions without rotating the form or cutting and attaching.
> Move without removal.? Not kid stuff after all. Very few
> only-wheel-throwers, even with a lifetime of experience with clay, are
> any good at it.
>  I start the course with pinching, not as an end in itself, but
> because it teaches how the material responds to the maker. It?s
> fundamental. Teach your fingers physics. Pinching is its own
> technique, but also the means to augment every other technique:
> coiling, slab, and wheel. Students who get good at pinching will learn
> every other method faster, and use it with more versatility; even the
> wheel. The wheel is just a tool for bringing the clay to your hands,
> instead of moving your hands to the clay. Squeezing perpendicular to
> the plane makes the clay thin and/or wide; compression along the plane
> brings it in. ?Pulling' a wall combines both. Bellying; collaring;
> all just pinching, with a power assist.
>  -Snail
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Ron Roy
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